Dear Group,
I met a guy (I’ll call him Joel) about 4 years ago and knew almost right away that he was not boyfriend material. However, we shared a strong physical attraction and have maintained a casual relationship since, which has worked out well for us simply because we did not expect anything more from each other. For various reasons and despite a handful of attempts, we haven’t seen each other in close to a year. On a whim last Friday, we met for dinner (only), had wonderful conversation and I left feeling surprisingly elated, though I still knew he and I would never be anything serious. He called me the next afternoon and invited me out to one of his friend’s housewarming party that night. I had already made plans with a girlfriend of mine (I’ll call her Erin) who doesn’t get out much, but since she knew his friend who was having the party, we decided she would come, too.
Erin, who just had a precious little girl about six months ago, will also be finalizing her divorce in a couple of months due to the discovery of her husband of about 4 years cheating on her throughout her entire marriage. Her life got upside-down, and along with her family, the rest of her girlfriends, and I have been by her side while she’s been picking up the pieces for the past year. Erin’s an intelligent, confident, wonderful friend who has had the unfortunate displeasure of marrying a man who made her question her entire self-esteem and life, though through her feat of get back to her normal self has made us even better friends.
We were all having lots of fun and by the end of the night, since we were in no condition to drive, planned on staying the night at her place. That is, until I turned the corner and saw them on the stairs while she was sitting on his lap with her shirt up…she got up and started to mumble something to me but I was already out the door. She called the next day full of apologies of how that was the most awful thing she’s ever done to a friend, how embarrassed she is, and how I mean more to her than any “stupid guy”. While I truly believe she did not have malicious intentions and how I understand she is lonely (and was extremely drunk), that is really no excuse.
It was a simple decision for me to say good-bye to Joel (who also had a lengthy excuse list) and not even be that upset at him since that was one of the reasons I knew he was not boyfriend material, rather more at myself for allowing my mind to wander at the possibility of us starting something based on one evening of great conversation. But Erin? Given the reason for the failure of her marriage, how could she do that to a best friend? How do I even begin to forgive her? How can I ever trust her again? To my knowledge, I have never had a boyfriend cheat on me, and do not have a jealous nature, so am at a complete loss of how to handle this.
Sincerely yours,
Aching Allie.
Vicenza
This whole thing could have been avoided if you and your friend were Rules girls. NEVER accept a last-minute invitation from a guy. You should have told him "no thanks, I have plans" and spent time with your friend as originally scheduled. Instead, you jumped at the chance to see him again.
Instead of trying to analyze the heck out of why your friend and he decided to mess around, forgive your friend, forgive yourself for trying to reconnect with a scumbag, and move on with life.
1he wasn't your boyfriend. you just were jealous because you were attracted to him. you even said yourself he wasn't boyfriend material. neither of you had any obligations towards eachother. i can understand if your friend knew that you liked him and she went for him knowing your feelings, but you even said nothing has happened and nothing was going on. he didnt cheat and he didnt cheat on you with her. forgive your friend and stay away from the guy or just be his friend and realize he's not yours.
2Thanks luisamapacha, though I'm not really into playing games, and while it's true I may have wanted to see him, I was also anxious to see many people at the party. I'm not trying to analyze why they messed around, I know why: he's a guy who cannot commit and she was annihilated. I do appreciate the briefing regarding "rules" though, thanks.
MissJules5x, true, he was not by boyfriend, but he was my date for the evening - doesn't that entitle me to commitment for the evening? And she did know the situation with him, and like I explained in my post, he's been a casual partner for over 4 years. To further detail, at one point during the night, I she pulled me aside to tell me how great she thinks she is, but for me to lay it out for her in which I responded "It's a girl code and I shouldn't even have to tell you, but since you've been out of the dating scene for a while, I'll tell you that you just don't do that" ("that" meaning do not get involved with someone a girl-friend is currently sleeping with).
I may not have explained the situation as well as I could have. While we were not exclusive by any means, we did have an intimate relationship. I am 28 and I realize dating within the younger generation (16-21) may have different "rules", but I would never pursue, sleep with, engage in heavy flirtation, or even consider the possibility of any of the above with a guy one of my girlfriends was currently seeing. But that is just me.
3Okay, first of all, as per your reply of whether him being your "date" for the evening entitled you to commitment for the evening... no. It doesnt. You broke the FB rules, lady! He was you FB for a year, you were both content with the situation, good sex, no conversation etc etc and then you two for whatever reason decided to break the rules and LOOK WHAT HAPPENED! The guy you were using for sex hit on your friend and tried to use HER for sex. Are you really suprised?? Keep FBs as they are. You've learned your lesson, I hope. It doesnt matter if he apologises a million times, all he should be is sex so if you enjoyed the sex... go back to sleeping with him but never venture outside of the bedroom again unless you plan on screwing in the park.
Second of all with your friend... yes, your friend did a baaad baad thing. Worse then you breaking the FB rule. She broke the #1 rule of friendship... DONT SCREW WITH YOUR BEST FRIEND'S MAN. "Man" includes boyfriend, exboyfriend, brother, father, current crush, former crush or guy that friend thinks she might possibly have a crush on. If it's been made clear to your friend that you might like the guy or you've had any form of kissing or penetration with the guy he is out of bounds. Simple. She broke the rules.
BUT here is where it gets tricky... she's your best friend, shes going through a bad divorce and she just had a baby. Chances are her self esteem is at the bottom of the barrel. An 18yr old kid with pimples who offers her extra fries at McDonalds probably could have convinced her to lift her shirt up.. nevermind this goodlooking guy who shes heard is good in bed (from you, i hope) all he has to do is tell her she's got a purty mouth and it's game over. Add on the fact that she's tanked and all of her morals go out the window. What you have to do is measure whats more important here... the fact that your ego is hurt because your FB tried to make it with your best friend or if you're actually hurt that your bestfriend would drink her weight in vodka and then hit on the guy who should mean nothing to you emotionally.
My advice is put this into perspective, take it for what it is, accept her heartfelt apology and move on. If this was a boyfriend I would tell you to slap her upside the head and kick him in the balls btu since it's a FB relationship and she's in such an awful place the rules change slightly.
Forgive your best friend, go back to using the FB for sex and sex only and try to move on. Sounds to me like you're ready to find a boyfriend.
Good luck.
"Don't fall for someone who's not willing to catch you"
4Checkout my blog:
http://teamsugar.com/user/Fallen85/blog/1714246 - Unwritten Rules of Friendship
http://teamsugar.com/user/Fallen85/blog/1649610 - Difference between F*ck Buddies and Friend with Benefits
"Don't fall for someone who's not willing to catch you"
5Fallen85, your insight in dead on.
I knew I was taking a risk for agreeing to dinner in the first place, then actually enjoy him outside our normal boundaries was not only shocking, but thrilling.
Your response is exactly what I needed to hear. Thanks again.
6I agree with Fallen..eventhough he was just a FB...you just don't mess around with friend's men like that...but having said that..if its established its ok..its a different story (I have never been one to be ok with sloppy seconds). But it looks like that isn't the case in this scenarioBest of luck with your friene Alliencatlee. Your friend was in a sh*tty place and did a sh*tty thing to you. And she has been out of the dating scene for a while, so maybe she isn't brushed up on the FB and the boundaries surrounding that...
Being drunk is no excuse for any behaviour because no matter how drunk we are...we still know what we are doing. But we all slip once in a while and we have all done things we have regretted. In light of her situation I think you should give her a chance....and let her know what she did hurt you.
"Love can never give too much, but those of us who love can give in too much"
7ITA with Fallen because he may just be an FB but it's kind of crossing the line for your bff to mack on him (although he may instigate the whole thing). It really depends on how much you love your bff I suppose to get over this and move on with your friendship.
The hardest part of this is your bff knows the situation between you two (and that you start to be 'seeing' him although he has zero potential as a good bf and that night you guys were sort of on a 'date'), and she still succumbs to temptation regardless her knowledge. But she also knows she did wrong by crossing the line and has apologized, so it's really how much you care about her enough to forgive and forget. Maybe everyone is right, her self-esteem is in the dumper because she acted as if it's ok for her to be kind of a sloppy second. People in their right mind usually won't go for that, but eh, who really knows.
As for the guy, if you want to keep him around as strictly FB, it's really your choice, but it's unwise to become more than that.
*Unconditional love is a beautiful thing, just be sure to give it AFTER your conditions have been met.*
8he isn't your boyfriend and she is your friend. The choice is simple. Forgive them both and move on. Holding a grudge is bad karma.
9You say yourself that it's a casual relationship, so don't hold anything against him. If you can't bring yourself to get over it, then you shouldn't hang out with him anymore. It looks to me like you are starting to feel slightly possessive of him, which is not a good sign as he is obviously open to other girls. Get yourself out of this if you can't stay cool.
As for your friend, it was wrong of her (in my opinion) to make out with a guy that she knows you were interested in first. I often insist (like you) that being drunk is no excuse for cheating. Call me old fashioned, but in my humble opinion, people in serious relationships are obligated to not get drunk with members of the opposite sex- not only is it out of line, but also to prevent this type of accidental cheating from happening.
But, in this case 1) they were both single and therefore not obligated to stay sober in front of the opposite sex, and 2) it's not cheating since he's not in a serious relationship with you.
If I were you I'd cut it off with the guy, and talk to the girl about how I feel and then forgive her.
Protect your heart until you find someone who can do it better than you.
10I agree with the others, on not seeing your FB at all. When and if he gets a real girlfriend, it's going to hurt you much worse. Too many mixed emotions are attached to him.
I agree you should forgive your bff. If you still want a relationship with her, then talk things over with her. Familiarize her with the unspoken girl rules again. Some girls have different girl rules. If she does this this with someone you do care about, then I'd cut her off. If you notice she makes out with any guy, when drunk, give her an AA brochure.
The being drunk excuse is lame and BS. To me it's the same as saying, "I made out with him and him and him, because the shrimp puffs were intoxicating."
11I don't think that is cool at all, especially if she knew that you were involved with him. If it were me, I would tell her that although I will work towards forgiving her, I will never feel comfortable having her around a man I was involved with again, because she obviously is not to be trusted. Then NEVER introduce her to any men that you are involved with again.
12Also realize that she is vulnerable because of her divorce and probably really drunk. Not that that is a good excuse. But I don't think you should be that surprised, considering that this guy sounds like a serial cheater anyway. You should date and spend time with better men. Have more respect for yourself than to allow some man to use you as a f*ck buddy and then hit on your friends when you are not looking.
He's a complete douche from the sounds of it and has no respect for you. Drop him now, there are plenty PLENTY of decent men out there willing to give u the attention, love and respect u deserve. As for your friend, its a tough call... ive been there when i caught my best friend making out with my crush. It took a whole year before I would even speak to her again because just months before that she helped me get through a messy messy breakup and to have her do that was just not on. But what other people have commented is true, she must have been in a bad bad state at that time with a new baby and a divorce and with a hot guy macking on u when ur drunk, some people just lose control although it is no excuse. u urself have said u know she did not have malicious intentions. i think u should let her try and make ammends, talk through it, work it out at ur own pace and one day im sure u guys will be back on track. its never easy but good friends are for life and its not worth losing her over this douche!
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